wish there was a delete your thread feature.
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Need help with Volume 3 Book 10 Chapter 2
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Am I missing something?
Went to do the Mysterious Relics deed as it's the only one I need for the OD horse..
I go to each spot where they're meant to be but they're not even spawned(nothing there).
I checked my quest log to see if I had done it earlier but nothing.
I have the ITA/Evendim/Trollshaws etc QP but still nothing.
I go to each spot where they're meant to be but they're not even spawned(nothing there).
I checked my quest log to see if I had done it earlier but nothing.
I have the ITA/Evendim/Trollshaws etc QP but still nothing.
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Deed Explorer of the Great River bugged?
I've have a Explored all of the great river long ago but meta deed "Explorer of the Great River" never came up, is this known bugg or does it work for anyone else? it should have given me title Traveller of the Anduin +1 Zeal but nothing... :(
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places in Middle Earth throuh screenshots
A River in Lebennin
Houses in the Eastfold
A Corsair Ship and looking from a Ship
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not sure where this goes, buit how do i leave a skirmish?
I have played for several years, off and on, but never had to leave a skirmish. this one is bugged. no mobs to be seen, but my soldier and my pet keep disappearing and fighting. i get xp, but still no mobs. i am supposed to be claiming the outer bailey, but with no mobs to kill i can't claim the flag. it is totally bugged. so do i gate out? how do i get out of it?
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New resident of Great Smials? Donnamira Took, Librarian
While starting yet another character, this time on Crickhollow, I met someone in Great Smials in Tuckborough whom I'd never seen before. I've met Adelard Took, Pervinca Took, and the Thain, but this time the Library next to Adelard has a resident: Donnamira Took, whose subtitle is "Librarian of Great Smials". She's not interactable, and she doesn't have a scholar icon. Just standing there watching me. Checking the Google machine, it doesn't look like anyone else has been taking notice of her, though she *is* mentioned in passing in the Canon.
When did she arrive? Is she part of a quest chain? I can imagine her objecting if I had the Bird and Baby "Go check a yellowed recipe out of the library at Great Smials" quest and just tried taking it.
When did she arrive? Is she part of a quest chain? I can imagine her objecting if I had the Bird and Baby "Go check a yellowed recipe out of the library at Great Smials" quest and just tried taking it.
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Has essence gear replaced standard gear at 100?
Currently, I've almost finished Central Gondor's storyline (need to do the Pelargir BB but I keep failing) and I'm wondering if loot gear or reward gear is no longer a thing. I completed a quest somewhere and was offered some boots with three slots, but otherwise, there has not been any gear that is better than what I have from HD.
I really don't want to deal with the essence system, farming for essence drops then I dunno, crafting new essences. I've not even looked into it because it looked as unfun as dealing with LI relics and legacies. Is this going to be forced on me because it's pretty sad that with three areas being released since HD, none of them have given better gear than what I have had for the last year.
I really don't want to deal with the essence system, farming for essence drops then I dunno, crafting new essences. I've not even looked into it because it looked as unfun as dealing with LI relics and legacies. Is this going to be forced on me because it's pretty sad that with three areas being released since HD, none of them have given better gear than what I have had for the last year.
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Downfall of Carn Dûm deed am i missing something?
I've done every deed in carn dum but no meta deed heres what i did:
Ancient Evil of Carn Dûm,
Ancient Evil of Carn Dûm (Advanced),
Champions of Carn Dûm,
Champions of Carn Dûm (Advanced)
Champions of Carn Dûm (Final),
The Angmarim of Carn Dûm,
The Angmarim of Carn Dûm (Advanced),
The Enemy's Stronghold,
The Orcs of Carn Dûm,
The Orcs of Carn Dûm (Advanced),
The Slugs of Carn Dûm,
The Trolls of Carn Dûm,
The Trolls of Carn Dûm (Advanced),
Plans of War.
anything hidden I'm missing?
Ancient Evil of Carn Dûm,
Ancient Evil of Carn Dûm (Advanced),
Champions of Carn Dûm,
Champions of Carn Dûm (Advanced)
Champions of Carn Dûm (Final),
The Angmarim of Carn Dûm,
The Angmarim of Carn Dûm (Advanced),
The Enemy's Stronghold,
The Orcs of Carn Dûm,
The Orcs of Carn Dûm (Advanced),
The Slugs of Carn Dûm,
The Trolls of Carn Dûm,
The Trolls of Carn Dûm (Advanced),
Plans of War.
anything hidden I'm missing?
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Roving Threat Master Location List
With new RTs introduced on Bullroarer, I'm starting a working thread with all Roving Threat locations, similar to what we did with Central Gondor. I'm including the Central Gondor RTs here as well, for completeness.
Quick Overview:
1. RTs now appear in Western Gondor, Central Gondor, Forochel, Angmar, and Misty Mountains. In the new zones, there is a RT Quartermaster who both gives the daily quest to kill the RT, and also serves as a barter vendor.
2. Completing a RT quest gives you 1 or 3 Gift-Giver Brands, which are the RT barter currency. Brands also can drop from the RTs themselves when you kill them.\
3. As of now, you have to talk to the Quartermaster to get the quest and complete it. No autobestowing or autocompletions.
4. The new RTs appear to follow the same spawn pattern as the RTs in Central Gondor. Each zone has a number of established spawn areas. At the start of each day, each RT is assigned a particular spawn area for the day. It "paces" in that small area, but doesn't go far. When killed, it respawns in that same area (on Bullroarer, the respawn is currently about 5 mins). Once you know the location for a RT for the day, it will always be there.
5. Central Gondor RTs are listed by reputation level. Tier 1 requires acquaintance; Tier 2 requires friend; Tier 3 requires ally.
6. Other RTs do not appear gated by reputation. Instead, I indicate how many Brands you get for completing the quest. The small fellowship RTs give 1 Brand, larger fellowship RTs give 3 Brands.
CENTRAL GONDOR:
Ringlo Vale :
Tier 1 - Scythe-Jaw (1)
Tier 2 - Gundash (1)
Tier 3 - Du-Kalon (1)
Spider area [71.7S, 52.0 W] (west of Ethring, near warband) - all
Lakeshore [72.0 S, 48.6W] (south shore of lake with island, eastof lumber camp) - all
North Glade: [73.7S : 49.2W] (SE of Ethring, east of road, SW of lumber camp) - all
South Glade: [76.3S, 50.4W] (S of Ethring, east of road, just west of treasure cache) - all
Dead Cave/Nimrond (very back of the cave, behind the door, where you fought the Dead in the instance) - humanoid only?
Cliff-Top [72.3S, 48.6W] (promontory between Ethring and lumber camp) - all
Orc Camp [70.3S, 47.4W] (in the cul-de-sac guarded by two trolls in the center of the camp) - humanoid only?
Dor en Enril :
Tier 1 - Anburz (1)
Tier 2 - Ripper (1)
Tier 3 - Keterang (1)
North Woods [77.7S, 50.2W] (NE of Tungobel, west of fork] - all
Fork [78.3S, 49.0W] (east of Tungobel at fork in road) - all
Dol Brannor Hillside [79.4S, 48.0W] (the hillside due south of Dol Brannon, east of the fork) - all
South Beach [81.3S, 47.1W] (beach shore west of Linhir) - all
Back Beach [81.4S, 48.0W] (the grassy area up the hill to NW of SoBe) - all
Hill [83.0S, 50.8W] (small hill with rock on top, west of south road) - all
Lang Boha [83.1S, 49.3W] (open area due south of Lang Boha) - all
Lebennin :
Tier 1 - Luruyak (1)
Tier 2 - Abrakhor (1)
Tier 3 - Render (1)
Woods [84.1S, 41.7W] - forest west of Aerthir
North Wall-East [79.0S, 33.6W] - along NE edge of zone, far NE corner
North Wall-West [78.5S, 35.5W] - along NE edge of zone, north of Lornost, west corner near river
Big Island [85.6S, 44.8W] - the big triangular island, on the big dune in the center
Small Island [84.6S, 43.9W] - the long, thin smaller island just north of Big Island
North River Bank [80.8S, 40.8W) - SW of Ost Anglebed, SE of Malbarth, along the north side of the river on the bluff between the crossings
Ethillorn Beach [85.3S, 44.2W] - just east of Ruins of Ethillorn and small triangular beach, in the grassy area along the river
WEST GONDOR:
Skorkaz (1)
Haldalona (1)
Amorchant (3)
Gundlag (3)
Mota (3)
Quartermaster - Aelnir (Dol Amroth-west of Library)
Tathrendelf East Side [62.2S, 55.8W] (east of the corsair camp in Tathrendelf, along the edge of the marsh)
FOROCHEL:
Krevchal (1)
Musterka (1)
Gronkerna (3)
Ukko Surma (3)
Quartermaster - Ostasant (Suri-Kyla-southeast corner)
Suri-Kyla East [20.6N, 69.4W] - east of Suri-Kyla
ANGMAR:
Ashthrok (1)
Khruthakh (1)
Shakatrog (1)
Ulkharn (3)
Velnas (3)
Quartermaster - Cannakh (Aughaire-hut by north entrance)
Himbar [8.8N, 28.7W] - SW part of Himbar, near overlook over IB
Gorothlad N [32.N, 24.2W] - near drop-off overlooking Grishbalt; NE of Grishbalt
Gorothlad SE [0.8N, 20.8W] - east rim of warg pit
Fasach-arran/Morfil [0.6N, 35.9W] - east of Morfil entrance, along south wall
Malenhad E [0.8N, 28.6W] - just NW of the turtle-egg quest location, along west shore of the Duvuinen shallow lake
MISTY MOUNTAINS:
Krabakam (1)
Hrimdyr (1)
Grothurs (3)
Sutmoth (3)
Quartermaster - Authi (Gloin's Camp-by task board)
High Pass [21.9S, 4.4E]
No. High Pass [23.5S, 7.2E]
High Crag [25.4S, 0.1E]
Giant Halls [31.1S, 3.3E]
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These locations are based on BR, and subject to confirmation when they go Live. As before, this is a group effort, so please post locations and mobs as you find them.
Quick Overview:
1. RTs now appear in Western Gondor, Central Gondor, Forochel, Angmar, and Misty Mountains. In the new zones, there is a RT Quartermaster who both gives the daily quest to kill the RT, and also serves as a barter vendor.
2. Completing a RT quest gives you 1 or 3 Gift-Giver Brands, which are the RT barter currency. Brands also can drop from the RTs themselves when you kill them.\
3. As of now, you have to talk to the Quartermaster to get the quest and complete it. No autobestowing or autocompletions.
4. The new RTs appear to follow the same spawn pattern as the RTs in Central Gondor. Each zone has a number of established spawn areas. At the start of each day, each RT is assigned a particular spawn area for the day. It "paces" in that small area, but doesn't go far. When killed, it respawns in that same area (on Bullroarer, the respawn is currently about 5 mins). Once you know the location for a RT for the day, it will always be there.
5. Central Gondor RTs are listed by reputation level. Tier 1 requires acquaintance; Tier 2 requires friend; Tier 3 requires ally.
6. Other RTs do not appear gated by reputation. Instead, I indicate how many Brands you get for completing the quest. The small fellowship RTs give 1 Brand, larger fellowship RTs give 3 Brands.
CENTRAL GONDOR:
Ringlo Vale :
Tier 1 - Scythe-Jaw (1)
Tier 2 - Gundash (1)
Tier 3 - Du-Kalon (1)
Spider area [71.7S, 52.0 W] (west of Ethring, near warband) - all
Lakeshore [72.0 S, 48.6W] (south shore of lake with island, eastof lumber camp) - all
North Glade: [73.7S : 49.2W] (SE of Ethring, east of road, SW of lumber camp) - all
South Glade: [76.3S, 50.4W] (S of Ethring, east of road, just west of treasure cache) - all
Dead Cave/Nimrond (very back of the cave, behind the door, where you fought the Dead in the instance) - humanoid only?
Cliff-Top [72.3S, 48.6W] (promontory between Ethring and lumber camp) - all
Orc Camp [70.3S, 47.4W] (in the cul-de-sac guarded by two trolls in the center of the camp) - humanoid only?
Dor en Enril :
Tier 1 - Anburz (1)
Tier 2 - Ripper (1)
Tier 3 - Keterang (1)
North Woods [77.7S, 50.2W] (NE of Tungobel, west of fork] - all
Fork [78.3S, 49.0W] (east of Tungobel at fork in road) - all
Dol Brannor Hillside [79.4S, 48.0W] (the hillside due south of Dol Brannon, east of the fork) - all
South Beach [81.3S, 47.1W] (beach shore west of Linhir) - all
Back Beach [81.4S, 48.0W] (the grassy area up the hill to NW of SoBe) - all
Hill [83.0S, 50.8W] (small hill with rock on top, west of south road) - all
Lang Boha [83.1S, 49.3W] (open area due south of Lang Boha) - all
Lebennin :
Tier 1 - Luruyak (1)
Tier 2 - Abrakhor (1)
Tier 3 - Render (1)
Woods [84.1S, 41.7W] - forest west of Aerthir
North Wall-East [79.0S, 33.6W] - along NE edge of zone, far NE corner
North Wall-West [78.5S, 35.5W] - along NE edge of zone, north of Lornost, west corner near river
Big Island [85.6S, 44.8W] - the big triangular island, on the big dune in the center
Small Island [84.6S, 43.9W] - the long, thin smaller island just north of Big Island
North River Bank [80.8S, 40.8W) - SW of Ost Anglebed, SE of Malbarth, along the north side of the river on the bluff between the crossings
Ethillorn Beach [85.3S, 44.2W] - just east of Ruins of Ethillorn and small triangular beach, in the grassy area along the river
WEST GONDOR:
Skorkaz (1)
Haldalona (1)
Amorchant (3)
Gundlag (3)
Mota (3)
Quartermaster - Aelnir (Dol Amroth-west of Library)
Tathrendelf East Side [62.2S, 55.8W] (east of the corsair camp in Tathrendelf, along the edge of the marsh)
FOROCHEL:
Krevchal (1)
Musterka (1)
Gronkerna (3)
Ukko Surma (3)
Quartermaster - Ostasant (Suri-Kyla-southeast corner)
Suri-Kyla East [20.6N, 69.4W] - east of Suri-Kyla
ANGMAR:
Ashthrok (1)
Khruthakh (1)
Shakatrog (1)
Ulkharn (3)
Velnas (3)
Quartermaster - Cannakh (Aughaire-hut by north entrance)
Himbar [8.8N, 28.7W] - SW part of Himbar, near overlook over IB
Gorothlad N [32.N, 24.2W] - near drop-off overlooking Grishbalt; NE of Grishbalt
Gorothlad SE [0.8N, 20.8W] - east rim of warg pit
Fasach-arran/Morfil [0.6N, 35.9W] - east of Morfil entrance, along south wall
Malenhad E [0.8N, 28.6W] - just NW of the turtle-egg quest location, along west shore of the Duvuinen shallow lake
MISTY MOUNTAINS:
Krabakam (1)
Hrimdyr (1)
Grothurs (3)
Sutmoth (3)
Quartermaster - Authi (Gloin's Camp-by task board)
High Pass [21.9S, 4.4E]
No. High Pass [23.5S, 7.2E]
High Crag [25.4S, 0.1E]
Giant Halls [31.1S, 3.3E]
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These locations are based on BR, and subject to confirmation when they go Live. As before, this is a group effort, so please post locations and mobs as you find them.
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Questing in Woodhurst - Love it!
I just want to thank whoever wrote the storyline quests in and around Woodhurst. Trying to figure out who is working with or against whom is such great fun.
Already one of my favourite non-epic quest line!
Already one of my favourite non-epic quest line!
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Quest Chain Stirrings Within Helegrod broken?
i have done quest, Stirrings Within Helegrod, The Deeds of Durin, In Sight of the Bitter Stair some quest give titles but i can't find them i followed this an went to most places but they have no quest? i went to Sigrun, Elrond, Arifael, Gonediad, Elrohir, Elladan, an no quest https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Cat...elegrod_Quests
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Is there a glitch with "Rogues Gallery"?
I am trying to complete the rather basic quest, "Rogue's Gallery", but there seems to be a problem; I have multiple copies of the "Brigand's note" I was supposed to bring back to Chief Watcher Grimbriar, but he is stuck on asking me if I've found anything... I've killed every brigand in sight over and over again, including the leader.... is there a way to bring this quest to completion??
Hmmmm. I shut down my computer, returned, and it progressed... so maybe it was my machine? In any event, I'm glad it moved along...
Hmmmm. I shut down my computer, returned, and it progressed... so maybe it was my machine? In any event, I'm glad it moved along...
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Treasure of Forochel... can't find the 12th treasure
I went to Forochel yesterday, and I am back today. I found eight, needed help for three more, but can't seem to find the last missing treasure cache in Forochel. Has anyone actually found it? There is a thread on Bullroarer with the eleven I found, but I am hoping someone has found the last one since the update went live.
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Warg Dens in Lone-Lands?
The patch notes for 15.2 mention "warg dens" added to Lone-Lands. I've searched LL and searched the forums and I find nothing about them other than the patch notes.
Has anyone seen these? Can you give a location or approximate area where these are located?
Has anyone seen these? Can you give a location or approximate area where these are located?
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Forochel Roving Threats
Hi fellows.
I want to know if i need to have access to Forochel expansion in order to get the roving threat quests there?
Ty in advance ;)
I want to know if i need to have access to Forochel expansion in order to get the roving threat quests there?
Ty in advance ;)
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Getting Started in the Great River Area
Hi! I have a level 70 character that I would like to quest with in Great River rather than continuing in Dunland. My problem is that the elf whom I recall being on the road between The Vineyards of Lorien and Thinglad isn't there and no quests are available to me. Do I have to finish the epic line in order to have those quests open up for me? I hope not since I'd be rather over-level for Great River by then. Thanks for you help!
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Bilbo in the Hall of Fire quest?
I finally ran into Bilbo in the Hall of Fire and he has a quest ring over his head, but it's greyed out. What do I do? I'm assuming this means I had to do something else that I haven't, so where do I start to get to the Bilbo quest? Any one give me a clue? :)
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Turbine is in league with Sauron
Having traveled far and wide in hunting Treasure Caches, finding 12 in the Misty Mountains, and 12 more in Angmar, but whilst searching Forochel I found 11 with my mates but more important than that, I found proof that Turbine is in league with Sauron and they are using their uber powers to project a impenetrable death wall within the confines of the great ice bay.
What dastardly doings is Turbine trying to keep secret? It was with the Eye of Delphi that I was able to pierce the veil enough to locate the final treasure cache of Forochel 15.8S, 70.0W, but even the Eye of Delphi was struck blind deaf and dumb when it tried to see what Turbine was hiding behind the veil of Sure Destruction.
So our little group of stalwart adventures would not be deterred in our quest, again and again we threw ourselves into the mysterious barrier and again and again we were destroyed, albeit land, iceberg or frigid water, death came swift and without warning. We threw at it barriers of our own to try to see this sheet of death, campfires, ice fields, and anything and everything we could think of to try to see the edge... from east to west, north to south, south to north and west to east, finding even a inverted corner in the invisible wall but even when we thought we were in we were in fact out then dead again.
Defeated, we trudged back and asked Gandalf and Bombadil, Frodo and Bilbo, we asked frogs in the shire and even asked a Morgul.... how can we get passed this barrier safely.... the Morgul said, only those already inside the barrier can get out but no one who is sane can get in, as a Morgul I have gotten in many time but not even I have been in there... at which point he cut his own head off, threw at at a cricket and laughed while shouting, I am inside the barrier I am inside the barrier.... it was obvious he was not sane and there was little doubt he was inside the barrier.
Then along came Bombadil who said, "Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow; Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow" all the while he skipped and danced about, "Hey dol merry dol wither are you going? Tramping in the Forochel lands and through the icy rivers flowing!"
It seems he remembered we asked and yes we said, there we be going to find a treasure cache and told him where it be, to which he replied, "Hey dol merry dol tis a GM ya need". So we asked, what is a GM?... well turns out the GMs work for some entity called Turbine and Turbine made the barrier (to protect Sauron's secrets no doubt), and GMs do not think they can transport you there through the barrier of death but Bombadil insists the GMs are crazier than Bombadil and that Bombadil is the craziest there be in all the lands, it was at that point that Bombadil grabbed a Morgul's head from thin air, threw it at a cricket and started shouting, "I am inside the barrier, I am inside the barrier!!"
We cannot claim he was not inside the barrier either, we still want to get in so we are drinking allot of beer and talking to sign posts, but we know that Turbine is in league with Sauron because we are not crazy yet.... are we? And who is this we person am not? OH MY GOODNESS, I AM INSIDE THE BARRIER... wait, no... it is not the barrier of death, it is only Bombadil's water closet.....
What dastardly doings is Turbine trying to keep secret? It was with the Eye of Delphi that I was able to pierce the veil enough to locate the final treasure cache of Forochel 15.8S, 70.0W, but even the Eye of Delphi was struck blind deaf and dumb when it tried to see what Turbine was hiding behind the veil of Sure Destruction.
So our little group of stalwart adventures would not be deterred in our quest, again and again we threw ourselves into the mysterious barrier and again and again we were destroyed, albeit land, iceberg or frigid water, death came swift and without warning. We threw at it barriers of our own to try to see this sheet of death, campfires, ice fields, and anything and everything we could think of to try to see the edge... from east to west, north to south, south to north and west to east, finding even a inverted corner in the invisible wall but even when we thought we were in we were in fact out then dead again.
Defeated, we trudged back and asked Gandalf and Bombadil, Frodo and Bilbo, we asked frogs in the shire and even asked a Morgul.... how can we get passed this barrier safely.... the Morgul said, only those already inside the barrier can get out but no one who is sane can get in, as a Morgul I have gotten in many time but not even I have been in there... at which point he cut his own head off, threw at at a cricket and laughed while shouting, I am inside the barrier I am inside the barrier.... it was obvious he was not sane and there was little doubt he was inside the barrier.
Then along came Bombadil who said, "Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow; Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow" all the while he skipped and danced about, "Hey dol merry dol wither are you going? Tramping in the Forochel lands and through the icy rivers flowing!"
It seems he remembered we asked and yes we said, there we be going to find a treasure cache and told him where it be, to which he replied, "Hey dol merry dol tis a GM ya need". So we asked, what is a GM?... well turns out the GMs work for some entity called Turbine and Turbine made the barrier (to protect Sauron's secrets no doubt), and GMs do not think they can transport you there through the barrier of death but Bombadil insists the GMs are crazier than Bombadil and that Bombadil is the craziest there be in all the lands, it was at that point that Bombadil grabbed a Morgul's head from thin air, threw it at a cricket and started shouting, "I am inside the barrier, I am inside the barrier!!"
We cannot claim he was not inside the barrier either, we still want to get in so we are drinking allot of beer and talking to sign posts, but we know that Turbine is in league with Sauron because we are not crazy yet.... are we? And who is this we person am not? OH MY GOODNESS, I AM INSIDE THE BARRIER... wait, no... it is not the barrier of death, it is only Bombadil's water closet.....
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gondor ring
im wondering if any of you can help. I been told there is a good mastery ring from a gondor quest does anyone know the name of the ring or the name of the quest its from thanks.
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2015-2017
This post has probably been made before but I decided to create a new one because I couldn't find and others.
This post is about what you think LOTRO will do in years 2015-2017 and after.
2015:I think we will get most of north gondor( minas tirith osgiliath etc) plus later on in the year I reckon they might make ithilen and possibly minas morgul
2016:i believe this will be the year of Mordor , we will prob have a black gate battle and possibly some sort of pvmp in actual mordor
2017: I believe this will be the year going through all those ending there were In the film
, scouring of the shire the grey havens etc. I also believe that the portal in the very south of the shire ( to south farthing) will be opened up for the scouring of the shire and the portal to the grey havens will be opened up via the currently locked portal in rath teraig (ah memories)
2018: I believe that if the game license is renewed then this year will probably focus around harondar then harad and finally umbar. after all it did say that after the war of the ring the rohirrim and gondoririm went off and had a load of wars. thye could also rewrite jajax back into the story here easily.
This post is about what you think LOTRO will do in years 2015-2017 and after.
2015:I think we will get most of north gondor( minas tirith osgiliath etc) plus later on in the year I reckon they might make ithilen and possibly minas morgul
2016:i believe this will be the year of Mordor , we will prob have a black gate battle and possibly some sort of pvmp in actual mordor
2017: I believe this will be the year going through all those ending there were In the film
, scouring of the shire the grey havens etc. I also believe that the portal in the very south of the shire ( to south farthing) will be opened up for the scouring of the shire and the portal to the grey havens will be opened up via the currently locked portal in rath teraig (ah memories)
2018: I believe that if the game license is renewed then this year will probably focus around harondar then harad and finally umbar. after all it did say that after the war of the ring the rohirrim and gondoririm went off and had a load of wars. thye could also rewrite jajax back into the story here easily.
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